Bring Epsom into London Zone 6

Bring Epsom into Zone 6 Bring Epsom into Zone 6

Today we are urging readers to back a campaign to finally get Epsom station included in London travel Zone Six.

For many years people have argued for the move which would allow people to use Oyster cards at the station, making travel from the station to London easier and cheaper.

It should also encourage more Londoners to travel out to Epsom, providing a welcome boost to its stuggling shopping centre.

A number of stations which are further from central London, such Epsom Downs, Tattenham Corner and Tadworth stations have been included in Zone Six after pressure from residents and local MP Chris Grayling - but Epsom has been snubbed.

He believes the current multi-million pound re-development of the station, which includes the installation of new ticket machines and is due to be completed next month, is the perfect opportunity to step up the pressure on this issue.

In 2007, he led a successful campaign in 2007 to get Stoneleigh and Ewell West stations moved into Zone Six.

He has already written to Transport for London (TfL) and train operating company Southern, which runs trains through the station, and has promised to raise the issue directly with the newly re-elected Mayor of London, Boris Johnson.

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Mr Grayling said: "Epsom is the point at which both rail lines to Waterloo and Victoria and the ones to London Bridge all join up.

"It seems entirely logical that this is the point at which Zone Six ends and the Oyster Card starts.

He said TfL buses already served Epsom, so could see "no reason" why trains couldn't be considered for the capital zone system.

"This is an inner station not an outer station - we’re not talking about Woking or Guildford," he added.

"This is one of the busiest train stations to the south of London.

"I will be talking to the Mayor of London about this, but the real decision-makers are Transport for London, Southern and South West Trains as they all sit as part of a grouping which takes decisions like this.

"I will be pushing them to put this back on the agenda over the next few months."

A spokesman for independent transport watchdog, London TravelWatch, also backed the campaign.

He said: "London TravelWatch has been asking for this change to be made for many years but it is unfortunately something that South West Trains have resisted on the grounds that they would lose revenue.

"We are therefore delighted that this is an issue that the local MP has decided to highlight."

And Yacine Antri, manager at Wilkinsons, in Epsom High Street, said the move could boost business in the town.

"I think it might influence people to come here because they would think of Epsom as a part of London," she said.

"If you compare Epsom with Kingston, many people visit Kingston for shopping, it is known as a commercial area.

"If Epsom was in a London zone, they might have the same idea and come here.

"We should try anything and everything to bring people into Epsom. Nothing should be under-estimated.

"I support the campaign and I would think other shops in the high street would do the same thing."

Epsom Zone 6 campaign map

Sophie Cooper, store supervisor at JD Sports, also in the High Street, said: "If it was in Zone Six people would travel out more. It is expensive to get to even one more stop from Epsom.

"I think other shops would support it as we would want the business."

Shashi Verma, TfL’s director of customer experience, said: "We do not have any objections to Epsom becoming part of the Zone Six travelcard area.

"Any change however would need to be led by Southern, the relevant train operating company, because the station is located outside Greater London and TfL’s geographical remit."

But a spokesman at Southern said it was in the process of responding to Mr Grayling’s letter and could not comment on the issue until then.

What is the Oyster card?

The Oyster electronic ticketing system was designed to reduce the number of paper tickets and transactions at ticket offices.

Users are encouraged to use it by the substantially cheaper fares it offers compared to cash payments.

An anytime one-day travel card bought from Epsom station for unlimited travel by bus, train and tube within the relevant London zones costs £17.20, but a Zone One to Six travel card, allowing the same options of travel, costs £15.80.

How you can help

  • Click here to sign our online petition
  • Write with your views on the issue to Chris Grayling MP at chris.grayling.mp@parliament.uk or send him a letter at his office at The House of Commons, Westminster, London, SW1A 0AA

Comments(15)

halhal says...
12:40pm Sat 12 May 12

I see why people want it to be included in zone 6 for cheaper travel and more business, however, Epsom is not a part of london. If Epsom was to become a part of zone 6, where do you end zone 6? bookham?!

Minuteman says...
2:46pm Tue 15 May 12

I think the point is that many zone 6 stations are geographically further out than Epsom, so that isn't fair. The London zone boundary lines are a sort of wobbly fried egg shape.

flibblywibble2 says...
2:58pm Tue 15 May 12

Yes please! I've seen sooooo many Oyster card fans get to the exit barriers at Epsom station and look rather sheepish. Tip top staff though - they let them through with minimal mocking. Haha!

Angela M says...
3:02pm Tue 15 May 12

I moved to Ewell just as zone 6 was extended last time... It's been great. However, our office moved and I have to go from Epsom, so I'm back to the annoying paper tickets. :(

CatherineDarcy says...
3:36pm Tue 15 May 12

Angela M wrote:
I moved to Ewell just as zone 6 was extended last time... It's been great. However, our office moved and I have to go from Epsom, so I'm back to the annoying paper tickets. :(
On South West Trains I pay £68 a month, going from Worcester Park to Epsom 4 times a week. For an Oyster travel card I would actually be paying £93 (zones 4-6)!

However, the Oyster card would be more flexible, and would include my frequent shopping trips to Kingston.

I think it depends what journey you do - some people may pay more, others less. It's optional, of course - you can still get a monthly train ticket for specific stations.

I, however, would happily pay the extra money to avoid the infernal paper tickets!

flibblywibble2 says...
3:50pm Tue 15 May 12

Ha! Many a time have I presented a limp soggy train ticket from my sodden back pocket. Maybe this traditional dissolving ticket design has been kept all these years because of its historical importance? :DDDD

How about an extension of the odd little zones of 789? Oyster for everyone I say!

sfocata says...
9:13am Wed 16 May 12

halhal - Epsom certainly isn't part of Greater London, but that's only a political boundary. Caterham is a lot less urban even than Epsom, but is in both Zone 6 and Greater London.

However, Epsom is part of the Greater London Urban Area (wiki it) which is a more useful geographical concept... the movement and behaviour of people in Epsom is closely rooted to the metropolis, so there's just no reason for the weird little kink in the zone 6 boundary.

sfocata says...
9:16am Wed 16 May 12

Oh, and yes... it'll be great if this campaign pays off. Better for businesses in Epsom and cheaper tickets for all of us :)

(Well, mostly... I guess outward ticket prices would increase)

CatherineDarcy says...
11:51am Wed 16 May 12

With Oyster I think I'd save about 20p on short single journeys, but return tickets may be cheaper on SWT. As a commuter to Epsom it's more about the convenience of having Oyster as an option.

I'm sure cheaper travelcards into London will be most welcome to the residents of Epsom.

beckyc77 says...
11:59pm Wed 16 May 12

This is a great campaign, however the high street is failing because there are very few decent shops in Epsom.

There are FAR too many tatty looking charity shops in the main part of the high street, plus a giant tacky Poundland, and now a gold buying store with a stupid sign-holder obstructing a busy and narrow pedestrian crossing.

If the shops go downhill, the clientele goes downhill, subsequently there is less money spent, and the high street will continue to plummet in popularity.

We need more big high street names, or some decent independents, particularly clothing stores, which are sorely lacking.

sfocata says...
8:49am Thu 17 May 12

@beckyc77 I'd say we actually need fewer big names... part of the charm of small towns like Epsom is they can often resist the homogeneity of places further into the metropolitan sprawl. But you're right, the high street is definitely looking a bit sad... typical sort of thing that happens in a recession. I'm hoping that this would improve with a move to zone 6.

Epsom has to be attractive to people coming from London (for the Derby etc) and for businesses looking to open a London branch (like GuitarGuitar) so the higher rail fares are putting of potential customers.

laurence88 says...
8:56am Thu 17 May 12

As a Sutton based resident and business owner, I always ignore Epsom as a place to do business, simply because I cannot use my oyster card on the trains - as a non-driver, I rely on public transport and if I were to visit Epsom in the evening, the train is the only option and an extra charge - my last visit was in December 2011.

Please extend Zone 6 and include Epsom

O-epsom says...
5:29pm Thu 17 May 12

Epsom should be brought into Zone 6, clearly inconsistent at present. Would be nice if SW Trains took the padding out of the morning timetable too – the ‘quick’ trains are only 2 or 3mins quicker than the ‘slow’ ones (eg 07.48 v 07.52). The trains just park at Raynes Park or sit outside Wimbledon while waiting for their slot.

What Londoners are going to travel to Epsom for the shopping though? Waterstones, HMV and ELC all closed, paucity of decent independent shops, increasingly scruffy. Most go to Kingston, C London, Wimbledon even. Only HoF and M&S keep it a viable shopping destination now.

greenlanesresident2 says...
11:06pm Tue 22 May 12

Are Epsom residents as green as their town? Until 7 years ago we lived in Colliers Wood, a rather nice suburb 25 years ago where we enjoyed living for the first 20 years of home ownership. But being cheaper than Wimbledon or Clapham soon saw in influx of buy-to-let properties, rented out to anyone and everyone, no questions asked. Over the decade to our move n 2007 vandalism, anti-social behaviour and theft increased, we were burgled twice, and our then 10 year old daughter thought it great if she made it home without a gang of men loitering around shouting abusive comments at her, or being threatened for her phone/belongings.
2007 saw us move to west ewell and what a breath of fresh air it was. no-one i worked with in the city could 'place' West Ewell, and it was such a lovely clean and tidy place with warmhearted locals we thought we had truly found our ideal location. Then zone 6 was introduced, and we now have the problems of wimbledon moving out to our borough. Graffiti and rubbish strewn station approaches, broken and damaged fences, drugs traded openly at the hogsmill path every benefits day, and more theft, burglary and car damage. Yes, zone 6 brings those city dwellers who can't afford the city lifestyle to move to the 'burbs' where their landlords rub hands with glee as the social pays well for rent to cover their smaller mortgage with the zone 6 attractive tag. Just think of ALL that new territory to exhaust in terms of burglary and car theft (investigate on a zone 6 pass, marvel at how few houses have burglar alarms unlike SW17,18 or 19, and plan your rich pickings for the future - oh, especially when SOOO many of Epsom residents actually WORK!)
WHY NOT just ask National rail to make Epsom fares equivalent to those of a zone 6 into london? that way commuters get the cheaper fares, and if they have to travel onwards they continue to use their Oyster card, AND it keeps Epsom lovely and a place that people WANT to come to, not swell the numbers of unemployed and unemployable who want to import their indolence and feral ways into a location much nicer than their inner-city flat squat, and has lots of opportunity for muggings, theft etc as well.
PLEASE reconsider - lets push for fares to be costed differently, rather than zone 6 it, and then commuters and non-commuters alike will benefit.

sfocata says...
11:57pm Tue 22 May 12

I'm not sure I see any logic there. Is there any data to support the link between zone 6 and increased crime? Places like South Cheam or Caterham don't seem to support this. There are just too many variables... could zone 6 inclusion introduce cheapo buy-to-let rentals in Epsom? Or could it actually raise house prices in general by making it more attractive to commuters?

You also don't seem to know how rail tickets work. Not being in zone 6 means not only higher fares, but crippled Travelcards (the barriers swallow them when you return to Epsom; that won't happen in Sutton or Croydon). Buying a "zone 6 equivalent" ticket to London and then using Oyster for onward journeys would be even more expensive than the present Travelcard fare!

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